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NEW DOC PICS!!!

These pics of Doc and Barb were taken by Joe on April 30, 2007

Doc's almost 10 here.  Barb's older than that. Doc's about 1050 lbs. and just shy of 15 H. 
Barb's taller than that but doesn't weigh  as much.  The first pic is TOO BIG!

 

These are not Doc. I'll move them later. The white horse in the barn is Sugar.
 

Sorry, these other pics are all from 1999-2000, when he was still just a little guy. 

Joe on Doc - May 2000

Docs Dewin Time
1997 palomino sabino gelding
with sabino and/or cream "roaning" (and
possibly dun from his red dun dam?)

AQHA & PHBA registered

Doc looking white July 2000

Straight, clean legs, sound, affectionate, a very "pretty", flashy boy --
turns heads wherever he goes!

At age 3 1/2 in  2/2001, he'd been round-pen trained; obeyed voice commands from ground; stands for mounting; walks, trots, & canters under saddle; had been used on trails, & loved it ; showed nicely in western adult walk-trot; is a bold explorer; loaded & clipped well; works best for kind, reassuring, but firm, handler/rider.

We used to call Doc "The Wonder Horse" partly because he was so cute, sweet, and well bred, but mostly because we WONDERED what in the world COLOR he was!

Earlier yet: September 1999; at only age 2
(he's not white, cremello or grey; see below)

Doc grazing Aug 1999
Grazing

Doc grazing Aug 1999
Close-up

Doc chewing Aug 1999
Chewing

He was new to us here, and only 2 years and 3 months old. 
He has bulked up more now all over, and is a full hand taller.

He has dark eyes and mottled skin, a big white blaze and four white stockings. His mane and tail are white. He seems to be a Palomino with sabino markings and roaning.  His dam is dun but if he has that he's too light to see it.

 

 Doc's pedigree

Doc is a great-great grandson of two famous horses: Doc Bar and Impressive (twice) (he's HYPP N/N); also has Blondy's Dude, King, Skipper W., Dial Adair, Plaudit and, of course, Three Bars in his pedigree.

wpe2.jpg (17555 bytes)Doc's sire, AQHA reg. Slippin Thru the Dew, 1993, #3244684, Palomino. His body (but not his head) is wet.  He now lives NE of Cincinnati, OH, at the H bar J ranch.   Doc's dam, AQHA Miss Doc Gage, is registered as a red dun.  We haven't seen her or a picture of her yet.  She now lives in SW PA.

March 2000 - age 2 3/4 - fuzzy season

H16.jpg (69126 bytes)<=He's not groomed and has his winter shaggy coat on.  Barb up, Joe holding reins

doc.ht3.jpg (16984 bytes)<= With Barb's brother, Steve.

H3.jpg (94052 bytes)<= Doc had just rolled.  We need to investigate planting WHITE grass!

March2000-6.jpg (85110 bytes)Doc's hind legs. Can't see the barring in the winter.

doc.ht4.jpg (22968 bytes) <=That's his new "Dad", Bill Bailey, in the background. Doc has a dirty tail here.

doc.ht10.jpg (9234 bytes)<= And here are his fuzzy QH buttocks.  I clicked the camera too soon.

May 2000 - Age almost 3

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Doc grazing, late spring or early summer of 2000.

This cocked-hip picture does not show off his conformation very well, but it DOES show the darker top line (see explanation below.)

Doc's summer coat was coming in pale beige.  I hope you can see it here.  He still has some "winter white" hair on his belly, etc. (The pink skin on his nose is due to his large blaze.)

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"Let's get his face this time" ... OK, Doc's downhill, and I'm using a telephoto lens ... he's not THAT small.

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Another attempt at posing Doc.  Doc would prefer to eat the grass.

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Joe points to Doc's rump and he turns on the forehand. He knew nothing about this stuff when we got him, and used to try to cow kick if asked to turn. What a horse trainer!  Note dorsal shading.  His tail is just dirty; it's purest white, as is his mane, when cleaned up.

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The row above are some pictures we took in May 2000 just to see if Joe looked too big for Doc.  He did, back then.  He's not quite sure what the bit is for -- we're working on that; but he sure does know what GRASS is for!!!   :-)   That's why he's "fighting" Joe.  

He wasn't even 3 years old in these pictures.   He's big enough for Joe, now ... he's grown a full hand -  4 inches -  and 200+ pounds since Joe bought him!

 

Doc 's Dun-ness?

He had many dun markings during his 3 year old summer. 
(For an unexpected match of Doc's color, see the "yellow dun" Fjordhorse on this page.)

Click on the thumbnail pictures below to enlarge them.

Left is Doc's rump in May 2000 before the sun faded his counter- shading away; right is the dun line left after being exposed to 24 hr. turnout for a little over a month (end of June).  It extends crisp and unbroken, though light grey, from his mane to his tail.  He also has some tan roots growing down the center of his nearly-white mane, and also in his tail, but the "guard hairs" are white root to tip, a pattern slightly similar to these wild duns.  DocBarring.jpg (36351 bytes)He also has a lot of horizontal color on his knees, another typically dun trait (dark lower legs), though it's cut off by his high pointy socks/stockings.  His ears are outlined in tan, and he has the striped hair growth patterns on his neck and chest that Hardy Oelke says trace back to the wild Iberian dun horse roots of the Mustang.

If you look with an unprejudiced eye you can see faint barring on the backs of his upper forelegs, especially when in the shade.  Unfortunately, it's more noticeable in person.  August 1999 it was also visible on his hind legs.  (As of 2005 it was all invisible permanently.)

All photos at left taken in June 2000

(If you really cannot see any shaded barring when you enlarge the pics above, your monitor may be too bright.  Try turning the darkness down until you can see them.)

doc.ht3.jpg (16984 bytes) <= In this picture from March 2000 you can see a little bit how in his winter coat his face was darker than his body, though he has a big blaze that obscures the center of it and any cobwebbing; also ear tips and slight ear barring are visible.  (Click to enlarge.)

 

Scientists are hard at work, trying to discover the location of, and a test for, the dun gene.  When that's available, Doc will be getting in line for it!

<= Four months later, in July 2000, his darker summer coat was already so sun-bleached  that he looked almost white again (left).

 

I also tried to find out if he could be carrying a Champagne gene

And though he isn't, in the process I "accidentally" founded the International Champagne Horse Registry.

I used to wonder whether the whiteness of his dun color is not due to the cream gene, which produces most Palominos, but to the champagne gene (scroll down after you click this link to see a look-alike to Doc!)  But, it's not.  But -- thanks to Doc, I helped found the International Champagne Horse Registry!

- Click the thumbnail photos below to see actual size -

wpe6.jpg (13294 bytes)To the left (excuse the rudeness of the photo, but this is one important place to look for pink, freckled skin to determine whether a horse carries the champagne gene).   The sun was not angled quite right, casting the base of the tail into shadow; however, you can still see that the skin is a rosy color with darker grey or purplish mottling. You can't see it in the thumbnail here, click it to see it full size.  It's all even lighter in person than it looks here.  June 2000.

DocPPPs.jpg (29363 bytes)Here is a flashlight-lit picture of his sheath, which is colored the same way, from around August 2000. 

 

Another kind of "mottling" on his muzzle is only where his sabino blaze trails off into his body color.

doc's chest2.jpg (148748 bytes)He has a few other odd color traits, too.  The skin on his chest and the underside of his neck is lighter pink with small purple blotches (click on thumbnail at left to see BIG photo taken in summer of 2000.)  In some places, like his lower legs, it's more purple with pink blotches (this may correspond to the darker hair there = dun coloring).  In some places I can't get him wet enough to see it!  His hair seems to repel water.

doc's left eye.jpg (259103 bytes)doc's right eye.jpg (252374 bytes)Now for his eyes and the skin around them. The skin around his eyes is solidly dark. It almost looks like "eyeliner",  compared to the rest of his skin.  His eyes are brown, not as dark as they appear in these photos.

 

He's also a sabino.  Doc is APHA eligible!

These are his characteristics of sabino:  a wide blaze that goes all the way under his chin, with a dark spot or two in the middle of it; and "pointy" socks/stockings with "blue zones" at the edges of most of his white markings.  And....

DocCropped1.jpg (31593 bytes)Doc4a.jpg (29377 bytes)Here are pictures of the streak of partly-pink-skinned white on his pale tan belly.   He also has the sabino "roan" coloring, which is one reason why he is so light and has mottled skin.  This is not a true roan, but an expression of the sabino or perhaps the cream gene, in which white hairs are evenly mixed in with the colored ones all over the horse's head, body and legs.  His much-darker-Palomino sire has this "roaning" as well.

On his muzzle, the dark spot in the blaze has pink mottling in it, and part of the white of his blaze has purple mottling in it.  This trait I have also seen on other pictures of sabinos. (SABINO is the form of a paint gene that causes the socks, stockings and blazes on most horses.)

So, he may be a "dunalino sabino-roan".

Our farrier, a QH man, says "he'd make a great cow horse, and is beautiful, extremely intelligent and sensitive."

Joe wanted a pleasure/trail riding buddy to replace old Bill, who is now deceased. And now that Doc has "grown up", and has continued to be a sweet, affectionate (though high-strung) horse, Joe is "in love".  Or so he often says!

Thanks to the HorseOfADifrentColor (now the CPEA)  list for helping put together the final pieces of the puzzle that is Doc's color, and especially for putting up with my obsession with finding out what color this little gelding really is!  

Thanks to my beloved son for all the photo scanning!

Doc & Amir at the

Harvest Home Fair Horse Show, September 2000

Old Bill didn't get to go ... just Docs Dewin Time, the (Isabelo-dunalino sabino-roan) QH, and Amir Halam, the amazing sorrel (minimal-sabino) flying Arabian.  We finally got the pics scanned ... and poor Barbara Burton, who encouraged me to try halter with Doc "just for fun", and even tried to "coach" us via email, was sitting at home in Alabama with a busted computer, so she couldn't see them yet. Oh, well...

First, Doc in the AQHA - only halter class:

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Well, now you all can see why he came in 4th out of four... that's the 1st place winner, in front of him...what do you think, they went to a service station and inflated her?  Ha ha!  Oh, and Doc's the "white" one, in case anyone doesn't know <grin>. And that's me, with my back to the camera, holding him. Oh, well, he behaved himself, which was the point to me, also finding out what halter class is like...whew... it was the first one for both of us!  He's aged just 3 years 2 months in the show pictures, and has grown SO much since then!

Open Western Walk-Trot

I'm on Doc, the "white" horse, who is trying to run away from the bleachers ... that's why I'm riding him so strangely.  He was fine on the other 3 sides of the arena, of course <grin>.

And that's Missy, one of my "riding students" (I gave lessons free, back then) riding my red horse, Amir, the Arab.  He's "only" age 20 here!

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It seems that neighbor kids were harassing Doc (even with paint balls!) where he is boarded, so he was very leery of the kids in the audience.  That's why I had to keep the outside rein taught.  "Backstage", he was fine, other than wanting to keep Amir in sight.

Western Lead Line:

jeremiah.jpg (54137 bytes)This is me leading Jeremiah Edwards on Amir.  Jeremiah had ONE lesson to prepare for this class.  He lost out because we didn't know he would have to back the horse.  It's a shame, because "back" is Amir's 2nd favorite move, right after "eat"!

Some "bonus" pics of Doc's new winter coat which came in an actual COLOR with DAPPLES, but soon bleached all to white again.  <smiling>  

doc-side.jpg (114598 bytes) doc-butt.jpg (102741 bytes) doc_side_joe.jpg (92625 bytes) November 2000.

His mane and tail are just DIRTY; they're glowing white through and through, when they're clean.

I guess we REALLY need some newer pics.  So sorry these are all so old.   Please check back in a few weeks.  Doc is now 1030 lbs (via weight tape, which tends to be low) and almost 15 hands tall!!!

Hope you enjoyed the "show"!  <G> 

me.jpg (10581 bytes) Me, back in the summer of 2000
 

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