Docs Dewin Time
1997 palomino sabino gelding
with sabino and/or cream "roaning" (and
possibly dun from his red dun dam?)
AQHA & PHBA registered
At age 3 1/2 in 2/2001, he's been
round-pen trained; obeys voice commands from the ground;
stands for mounting; walks,
trots, & canters under saddle; had been used on trails, & loves it
showed nicely in western adult walk-trot; is a bold explorer; loads & clips well
(LOVES being clipped);
works best for a kind, reassuring, but
We sometimes called Doc "The Wonder Horse",
but it was because we WONDERED
what in the world COLOR he was!
The pictures immediately below are all from 1999-2000, when he was
still just a little guy.
We don't have any "professional" or even well-posed pictures, that
would make him look his best.
These were all taken just for color studies, and for recording fun times!
Doc in September of 1999; at age 2
yrs., 3 months
(he's not white, cremello,
champagne or gray; he's a Palomino, sabino & dun;
He was new to us here, and only 2 years and 3
He has bulked up more now all over, and is a full hand taller.
He has dark eyes, and skin that is dark in some places and
pink with purple dots in others;
a big white blaze; a streak of pink-skinned white on his belly; and four
His mane and tail are white.
Doc is a great-great grandson of
two famous horses: Doc Bar and Impressive (twice) (he's HYPP
also has Blondy's Dude, King, Skipper W, Dial Adair, Plaudit and Three Bars
(frequently) in his pedigree.
sire, AQHA reg. Slippin Thru the Dew, 1993, #3244684, Palomino. His body (but
not his head) is wet in this picture. His last known location was NE of Cincinnati, OH, at the H bar J
ranch, in or near Maineville. Doc's dam, AQHA Miss Doc Gage, is registered as a red dun.
We haven't seen her, or a picture of her, yet, but I did speak to her owner as
of 2001, and he assured me she was a normal, red dun color. Her last known location was SW PA.
March 2000 - age almost 3 -
not groomed and has his winter shaggy coat on. Barb up, Joe
holding the reins.
With Barb's brother, Steve.
Doc had just rolled. We need to investigate planting WHITE
<=That's his new (at the time) "Dad", Bill
Bailey, in the background. Doc has a dirty tail here.
And here are his fuzzy QH buttocks. I clicked the camera too
soon. This was before digital, so I didn't find out 'til later.
May 2000 - age, about 3.
Doc grazing, late spring or early summer of 2000.
This cocked-hip picture does not show off his conformation very
well, but it DOES show the darker top line (see explanation below.)
Doc's summer coat was coming in pale beige. I hope you can
see it here. He still has some "winter white" hair on
his belly, etc. (The pink skin on his nose is due to his large blaze.)
"Let's get his face this time" ... OK, Doc's downhill,
and I'm using a telephoto lens ... he's not THAT small.
Another attempt at posing Doc. Doc would prefer to eat the
grass. Doc's still new to us, and Joe's still new to horse
Joe points to Doc's rump and he turns on the forehand. He knew
nothing about this stuff when we got him, and Doc used to try to cow kick if
asked to turn. What a horse trainer Joe is turning into! Note
Doc's dorsal shading, for what it's worth.
His tail is just dirty; it's purest white, as is his mane, when cleaned
up. I'm the only one that ever bathes horses.
Is Doc Dun?
He had many dun markings during his 3 year old summer.
(For an unexpected match of Doc's color, see the
dun" Fjordhorse on this page.)
Click on the thumbnail pictures below to enlarge them.
Left is Doc's rump in May 2000 before the sun faded his counter- shading away;
right is the dun line
left after being exposed to 24 hr. turnout for a little over a month (end of
June). It extends crisp and unbroken, though light grey in color, from his mane to
his tail. He also has some tan roots growing down the center of his
nearly-white mane, and also in his tail, but the "guard hairs" are
white root to tip, a pattern slightly similar to these
wild duns. He
also has a lot of horizontal color on his knees, another typically dun trait
(dark lower legs), though it's cut off by his high pointy socks/stockings.
His ears are outlined in tan, and he has the striped hair growth patterns on his
neck and chest that Hardy
Oelke says trace back to the wild Iberian dun horse roots of the Mustang.
If you look with an unprejudiced eye you can see faint barring
on the backs of his upper forelegs, especially when in the shade.
Unfortunately, it's more noticeable in person. August 1999 it was also visible on
his hind legs. (As of 2005 it was all invisible, permanently.)
All photos at left taken in June 2000 (If you really cannot see any
when you click on the pictures at left, your monitor may be too bright. Try
turning the darkness down until you can see them.)
<= In this picture from March 2000 you can see a little bit how in his winter
coat his face was darker than his body, though he has a big blaze that obscures
the center of it and any cobwebbing; also ear tips and slight ear barring are
visible. (Click to see full size.)
Now there's a test for "dun markers",
but we really don't care
enough any more to spend the time & money on it...
<= Four months later, in July 2000, his darker summer coat was already so
sun-bleached that he looked white again (left).
I also tried to find out, early on, if he could be
And although he isn't, in the process of
investigating it, I "accidentally" founded the International
Champagne Horse Registry.
I used to wonder whether the whiteness of his dun color is not due to the
cream gene, which produces most Palominos, but to the champagne gene. It's not.
But -- thanks
to Doc, I helped found the International Champagne Horse Registry!
- Click the thumbnail photos below to see actual size -
the left (excuse the rudeness of the photo, but this is one important place to
look for pink, freckled skin to determine whether a horse carries the champagne gene).
The sun was not angled quite right, casting the base of the tail into shadow;
however, you can still see that the skin is a rosy color with darker grey or
purplish mottling. You can't see it in the thumbnail here, click it to see it
full size. It's all even lighter in person than it looks here. June
is a flashlight-lit picture of his sheath, which is colored the same way, from
around August 2000.
"Mottling" on his
muzzle occurs where his sabino blaze trails off into his body color.
It's different from champagne freckling.
has a few other odd color traits, too. The skin on his chest and the
underside of his neck is lighter pink with small purple blotches (click on thumbnail
at left to see BIG photo taken in summer of 2000.) In some places, like
his lower legs, it's more purple with pink blotches (this may correspond to the
darker hair there = dun coloring). In some places I can't get him wet
enough to see it! His hair seems to repel water.
for his eyes and the skin around them. The skin around his eyes is solidly dark.
It almost looks like "eyeliner", compared to the rest of his skin.
His eyes are brown, not as dark as they appear in these
He's also a sabino. Doc was APHA eligible, before the
These are his characteristics of sabino: a wide
blaze that goes all the way under his chin, with a dark spot or two in the
middle of it; "pointy" socks/stockings with "blue zones"
at the edges of most of his white markings; roaning: white hairs mixed in with
the "beige" ones all over, including his face; and....
are pictures of the streak of partly-pink-skinned white on his
pale tan belly. The sabino "roaning" is one reason why he
looks so light, and has pink skin with darker dots on his
chest, etc. This is not
true roan, but an expression of the sabino or perhaps the cream gene, in which white hairs are
evenly mixed in with the colored ones all over the horse's head, body and legs.
His much-darker-Palomino sire has this "roaning" as well.
On his muzzle, the dark spot in the blaze has pink mottling in it, and part
of the white of his blaze has purple mottling in it. This trait I have
also seen on other pictures of sabinos. (SABINO is the form of a paint gene that
causes the socks, stockings and blazes on most horses.)
So, he's most likely a "dunalino sabino-roan".
Our farrier, a QH man, says "he'd make a great cow horse,
and is beautiful,
extremely intelligent and sensitive."
Joe wanted a pleasure/trail riding buddy to
replace old Bill,
who is now deceased. And now that Doc has "grown up",
and has continued to be a sweet, affectionate (though high-strung) horse, Joe is
"in love". Or so he often says!
Thanks to the HorseOfADifrentColor
(now the CPEA) list,
for helping put together some of the pieces of the
puzzle that is Doc's color,
and especially for putting up with my obsession with
finding out what color this little gelding really is!
Thanks to my beloved son
for all the photo scanning!
Doc at the Harvest Home Fair Horse Show, September 2000
Old Bill didn't get to go ...
and Sugar wasn't even born, yet ... just Doc and Amir, the amazing chestnut-with-pangare (minimal-sabino) flying Arabian.
We finally got the pictures scanned ... and poor Barbara Burton, who encouraged me
to try halter with Doc "just for fun", and even tried to
"coach" us via email, was sitting at home in Alabama with a busted
computer, so she couldn't see them yet. Oh, well...
First, Doc in the AQHA - only halter class:
Well, now you all can see why he came in 4th out of four... that's the 1st
place winner, in front of him...what do you think, they went to a service
station and inflated her? Ha ha! Oh, and Doc's the "white" one, in
case anyone doesn't know <grin>. And that's me, with my back to the camera,
holding him. Oh, well, he behaved himself, which was the point to me, also
finding out what halter class is like...whew... it was the first one for both of
His age is just 3 years 2 months in the show pictures, and he has grown SO much since then!
I pray I can show him again, some day.
Open Western Walk-Trot.
I'm on Doc, the "white" horse, who is trying to run away from kids
bleachers ... that's why I'm riding him so strangely. Neighbor kids had
been harassing Doc (even shooting him with paint balls!) where he is boarded, so
he was very leery of the kids in the audience.
That's why I had to keep the
outside rein taught. "Backstage", he was fine, other
than wanting to keep Amir in sight.
He was fine on the
other 3 sides of the arena, of course, when the judge wasn't watching.
A few months after the show, Doc's new winter coat which came in
with an actual
COLOR, with DAPPLES, but soon bleached all to white again.
Taken November 2000, before it bleached out.
His mane and tail are just DIRTY; they're glowing white through and through,
when they're clean. As I wrote, he doesn't get baths unless I do it.
See the show pictures, above, for what it looks like clean.
Taken by Joe on April 30,
Doc's almost 10 here.
Barb's older than that.
about 1050 lbs. and just shy of 15 H.
Barb's taller than that but doesn't weigh as much.
In the last picture his head is being pushed back... he really has a prettier neck
Early December snowstorm, 2010:
...also try these video
Christmas Eve ride in the snow, 2010
Hope you enjoyed "the show"!